Footage of Egyptians Demonstrating opposite Israeli Embassy in Cairo Shows Sign with Swastika Saying ‘The Gas Chambers Are Ready
This is totally messed up. I hope Israel is ready for the new Egypt.
This is totally messed up. I hope Israel is ready for the new Egypt.
9 comments
1 | sliv_the_eli Mon, Aug 22, 2011 2:06:51pm |
That can't possibly be true. The NY Times told me that anti-Jewish rhetoric is absent from the upheaval in Egypt! Clearly, MEMRI, unlike the MSM, is pushing an agenda here.
2 | What, me worry? Mon, Aug 22, 2011 4:08:08pm |
The government still wants to maintain its peace agreements. I think. I hope. But this is very frightening. Not just for Israel but for the region. Will they oust Assad? Who will fill that void? Israel has no agreements with Syria. While I had hope for the Arab Spring, now I'm terrified.
3 | CarolJ Mon, Aug 22, 2011 4:25:50pm |
What you don't read unless you read the translated Egyptian media, is that there is small sentiment for war with Israel. While Israel isn't popular, most Egyptians want peace-the war was expensive, drove away tourists and vital capital, and gave excuses for police repression.
4 | sliv_the_eli Mon, Aug 22, 2011 4:27:26pm |
re: #2 marjoriemoon
The government still wants to maintain its peace agreements. I think. I hope. But this is very frightening. Not just for Israel but for the region. Will they oust Assad? Who will fill that void? Israel has no agreements with Syria. While I had hope for the Arab Spring, now I'm terrified.
The multi-billion dollar question when it comes to Egypt is whether those who come to power in the coming months, all of whom are engaging in anti-Israel rhetoric, will, once in office, engage in the type of realpolitik pursued by Mubarak when it comes to Israel-Egypt relations or will, instead, be swept up in the euphoria of their own propaganda, a la Nasser, and lead the region into a new era of violence. It is well and fine to hope for the former, but our policy in this regard seems to have been led by our hope rather than by a cold and realistic analysis of who the real players are and who are the players best organized to take advantage of the changes in Egypt and elsewhere in the Arab/Muslim world.
5 | CarolJ Mon, Aug 22, 2011 5:16:35pm |
Egypt now imports at least a third of it's food from outside, and needs tourism dollars and investment. The army these days now is more a conglomerate than an army. No matter what the sentiment among some groups, the army is hardly going to risk Egypt for useless rhetoric.
I expect a lot of wolf tickets for votes, but no real move towards war. From what I've read, Egyptians are sick of the rhetoric that covered a lot of postponed freedoms, financial looting, and such. In any case, war requires a unified Government that feels war is winnable and is worth the effort. The Government that emerges is likely to consist of small factions and a President from a compromise coalition. Hardly strong enough for an aggressive war.
6 | Joe Max Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:11:52pm |
The unanswered question is how much of the typical population these demonstrators represent. Imagine a headline reading "Americans Demonstrate Outside Military Funerals, Chanting Soldiers Go To Hell" and it sounds bad, but then realize it's the frackin' Westboro "Baptist Church" who, while they are in fact Americans, in no way represent their fellow citizens. Not many, anyway (though any number above zero is too many.)
I agree with CarolJ that the fledgling government has their hands full and will realize agitating for a war right now is a terrible idea.
7 | Bob Levin Mon, Aug 22, 2011 6:34:12pm |
re: #2 marjoriemoon
I never had hopes for an Arab spring, mostly because government is about organizing resources, and newcomers just don't have the experience to do this. The question would be, which group, already having a chain of command and the ability to organize, will take over. In most of these countries it will probably be the military--whose leaders happen to enjoy new technology and science, and money. The military would then have to allow some type of free market, which is actually the precursor to free elections (the State Department has this backwards).
I would say it's too early to be terrified, and if free markets develop, that's a good thing. Trade is good.
8 | SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 22, 2011 7:17:33pm |
re: #1 sliv_the_eli
That can't possibly be true. The NY Times told me that anti-Jewish rhetoric is absent from the upheaval in Egypt! Clearly, MEMRI, unlike the MSM, is pushing an agenda here.
The NYT said that?
9 | CarolJ Mon, Aug 22, 2011 8:38:39pm |
Mubarak and Ghadaffi played both sides of the street. Anti-Israeli rhetoric was a way of keeping people's attention away from the increasing repression and economic stagnation,and by being on a war footing of sorts, a way of suppressing dissent. It also stigmatized critics is "agents of Israel" or of the West, or whateever. While at the same time they were happy to take whenever convenient, the business from the West if it lined their pockets, even Israel if under the table.